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#21553 - 06/21/09 12:59 AM Geological Scotland.
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Scotland has the distiction of being the only Country on this Planet Earth that has Geological rocks with a wide diversity of mountain's created more than 500,000,000 years ago.

Drifting Continent's created this.

My comment that Scotland enjoined England just a few Millenium years ago... didn't get any sensible answer, Well actually there were none.

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#21565 - 06/22/09 02:43 PM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: kenwhut]
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Interesting.

did you know that the Island of Lewis was the only part of Scotland not to be covered in Ice during the last Ice Age. Because of its position on the globe before the last earth crust displacement.

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#23503 - 09/13/09 12:56 AM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: EckM]
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No i was unaware of this! but certainely not surprised at all.

The very few replies i received regarding my statement on a similiar subject were met with i can only surmise, surprise, astonishment, then total Ignorance.

I think (2) made their thought's available for all to read but have since kept rather Quiet.

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#23532 - 09/14/09 07:14 AM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: kenwhut]
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The last ice age ended around 11,000 years ago, EckM.

As far as I'm aware, the glaciation, during that ice age, extended down to southern England and covered most of northern Europe.

I can't see how Lewis would have escaped glaciation. What's your source?
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#23548 - 09/15/09 04:35 AM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: Doon the Toon]
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I often wonder where these figures come from --11,000 years and 500,000,000 years ago. Not doubting them but oh, where oh, where can they be verified ?

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#23555 - 09/15/09 07:57 PM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: danaidh_boy]
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Hi danaidh_boy.

Be prepared to do some reading!

There have been around 25 ice ages over the past 2,500,000 years. Each lasted around 90,000 years, with an "interglacial" period lasting 10-11,000 years. The interglacial period we are in started around 11,000 years ago.

This information is found from various sources, particularly long cores taken from both the seabed and ice sheets.

To find out how this info is verified, have a look at:-

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/cycles.htm

Here are some snippets from it...

Quote:

Ice core studies also confirmed a feature that researchers had already noticed in deep-sea cores: the glacial cycle followed a sawtooth curve.
In each cycle, a spurt of rapid warming was followed by a more gradual, irregular descent back into the cold over tens of thousands of years. A closer look showed that temperatures tended to cluster at the two ends of the curve. It seemed that the climate system had two fairly stable modes, brief warmth and more enduring cold, with relatively rapid shifts between them.
Warm intervals like the past few thousand years normally did not last long.(36) Beyond such fascinating hints, however, the Greenland ice cores could say little about long-term cycles. They were too short to reach past a single glacial cycle. And the ice flowed like tar at great depths, confusing the record. In the 1970s, despite the arduous efforts of the ice drillers, the most reliable data were still coming from deep-sea cores.

That work too was strenuous and hazardous, manhandling long wet pipes on a heaving deck. Oceanographers (like ice drillers) lived close together for weeks or months at a time under Spartan conditions, far from their families. The teams might function smoothly — or not. Either way, the scientists labored long hours, for the problems were stimulating, the results could be exciting, and dedication to work seemed normal with everyone around them doing the same.

Deep-sea drilling
To make it worthwhile, scientists had to draw on all their knowledge and luck to find the right places to drill on the ocean bed. In these few places, layers of silt had built up unusually swiftly and steadily and without disturbance. Meanwhile, drilling techniques were finally worked out that could extract the continuous hundred-meter cores of clay that Emiliani had been asking for since the 1950s. Improved techniques for measuring the layers gave data good enough for thorough analysis.
The most prominent feature turned out to be a 100,000-year cycle — evidently a key to the entire climate puzzle. Several earlier studies had tentatively identified this long-term cycle. Corroboration was in hand from Kukla's loess layers in Czechoslovakia, at the opposite end of the world from some of the deep-sea cores. Here too the 100,000-year cycle stood out.(37)

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The long cores proved beyond doubt what Emiliani had stoutly maintained — there had been not four major ice ages, but dozens.
The analysis showed cycles with lengths roughly 20,000 and 40,000 years, and especially the very strong cycle around 100,000 years, all in agreement with Milankovitch calculations.(41)
Extrapolating the curves ahead, the group predicted cooling for the next 20,000 years. As Emiliani, Kukla, and other specialists had already concluded several years earlier, the Earth was gradually — indeed, perhaps quite soon as geologists reckoned time — heading into a new ice age (see above).

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During the 1980s, the work advanced steadily with few surprises. Ocean drilling in particular, pursued on an international scale, produced ever better cores. A costly project dedicated to "spectral mapping" (SPECMAP) yielded a spectrum of cycles that matched the astronomical calculations with gratifying precision going back hundreds of millennia.
Five separate cores confirmed that variations in the Earth's orbit drove the coming and going of ice ages.(46) But an unexpected finding brought in a new complication. The prominent 100,000-year cycle (due to changes in the orbit's eccentricity) had dominated climate change only during the most recent million years. During a long earlier phase of the Pleistocene epoch, the rise and decay of ice sheets had followed the 41,000-year cycle (due to shifts in the inclination of the Earth's axis).(47)

That web page is a fair old read; the above are only snippets from it. It should provide the verification you seek.

See also the timeline of the last 100,000 years at:-

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/100k.html

and further info about the last million years at:-

http://www.lbl.gov/Science-Articles/archive/ice-age-sediments.html

There is a free book in PDF format called "The Survival Of Civilisation", downloadable from

http://www.remineralize.org/don/synopsis01.html

where you will also find a synopsis of the contents.
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#23565 - 09/16/09 05:49 PM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: Doon the Toon]
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Sorry Been sleeping on this one.

The cycle of ice ages can be predicted by the displacement of the sun WRT the angle of tilt of the polar axis and its precession.( Wobble )

All of this information I got from reading the works of a janitor of the Andersonian Museum in Glasgow. James Croll 1821-90.

He put all the reasoning and the theory together before Milankovitch,(1857-1927 who was the one who then used Crolls ideas in 1911 and put together some numbers to prove Crolls theories as to why the ice ages actually happen.


But WRT Lewis it may be a case of " Earth Crust Displacement , where the out of ballance forces ( caused by an un ballanced Ice sheet and centrifugal force ) pull the relatively thin crust of the earth arround the mantle. IMagine the skin of an orange capeable of being rotated over the flesh of the fruit.



N FACT that may be the real risk of global warming . Antartica gains the weight of Lake Ontario in new off-centre ice every year, whilst the Artic melts.


Evidence of the shift ; or tendency to shift, is that the north magnetic pole is moving north from Hudsons bay at the rate of 10 Kms per year. AND GAING SPEED.


This type of movement is evidenced by frozzen animals in the Canadian Artic and Siberia being found with still undigested warm weather plants and fruit in the bellies. whilst the animals them selves are warm weather animals.( Eg. water buffalo in Dawson city Yukon.


For a better understanding of Earth crust displacement read Charles Hapgood ( very technical ) OR the R & R Flem-aths'. When the Sky Fell.whose research and findings prove Hapgoods work.


Edited by EckM (09/16/09 06:02 PM)
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#23574 - 09/17/09 06:05 AM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: EckM]
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Thanks for that "Doon the Toon", just wondering where the figures all came from. I had a sneeking suspicion that it was through the exploites of Dr Who that we knew the figures. But, no, "Doon the Toon", you proved me wrong.

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#23589 - 09/17/09 06:54 PM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: danaidh_boy]
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Hi danaidh_boy.

When you read of x amounts of do$h awarded for research, you sometimes wonder what it's for. I think proving that we are living in a time at the end of a relatively short but warm period in between ice ages, that have been happening for millions of years, should be a wake-up call for us all.

Unfortunately, the global warming theory is more palatable to the general public. Recently, on BBC TV News, we were told that palm trees would be growing in Blackpool because of a 2° rise in temperature. Sounds nice...

But if the polar ice caps keep melting, enough fresh water will be dumped into the North Atlantic to bring the the Atlantic Conveyor to a halt. As it is this "North Atlantic Drift" which gives the UK its temperate maritime climate, our climate would become like other places on similar latitudes, like northern Canada and southern Alaska and Siberia. Doesn't sound so pleasant now, does it?

For an explanation, see:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article598464.ece

and

http://www.noc.soton.ac.uk/rapid/sis/atlantic_conveyor.php
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#23593 - 09/18/09 04:12 AM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: Doon the Toon]
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Doon the Toon :- Very interesting.

Cheers

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#23633 - 09/19/09 03:50 PM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: danaidh_boy]
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I think it's pretty well accepted that, should the polar ice cap melt, the Drift will, indeed, be directed further south, to make landfall in Biscay or Portugal. That will give northern Europe, including the UK, colder, wetter summers and colder, longer winters. In Nova Scotia, for example, at 45 degrees north lattitude, we have nearly winter, winter, still winter and road works. At 55 North, I doubt if Dundee will see a road works season of more than a few weeks.

The pole is expected to be ice-free for the late summer months sometime in the next 15 - 20 years, assuming a steady rate of melting. If the rate increases, the ice will disappear sooner.

The problem is, ice, being white, reflects the sun's radiated heat back into space, but water is darker and absorbs the radiated heat, so increasing the melt rate to make more water, to absorb more heat....you get the picture.

The ice-free pole scenario is really quite frightening. Polar bears will become extinct in the wild, they need the ice to hunt their main prey, seals. (dinna tell MacSwally) Seals need the ice to breed. Open water from the GIUK gap to the Bering Strait will make the legendary North West Passage open to shipping and vastly increased shipping traffic from Europe to the far East (WalMart needs it's Chinese goods to sell) will do incalcuable damage to the fragile ecosystem up there. The teeming wildlife will be threatened to extinction. Permafrost will thaw, and existing towns and cities built on it will begin to collapse as their foundations subside. This is already happening in northern Russia.

yup, really quite frightening. There is one upside though, when the North Sea freezes over, there will be a viable seal harvest, so the EU won't have to be too concerned about Canada's. smile
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#23696 - 09/22/09 02:54 PM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: Sailor]
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Taking up where Sailor left off.


One can now tell Mcswallow that she will then be able to walk ooot tae the Bell Rock and actually watch a seal hunt.

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#24237 - 10/21/09 03:40 AM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: danaidh_boy]
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Excellent spiel but has not been written in Stone. The advantage and leveller for all is the opinion of not a few but the now easy access to a multitude of people & their thought's after digesting opinions that are more than likely (1) third out in not fact but estimation.

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#24253 - 10/21/09 03:24 PM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: kenwhut]
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Update on melting ice cap. A recent survey (this past summer) of the sea ice cap (ie floating ice, not landfast) by a British team has determined that the average ice thickness on the whole of the cap is less than was anticipated. The revised estimate for an ice-free polar passage is now "within 10 years" during the summer months. A voyage from the GIUK gap to the Bering Strait across the north pole will be possible.

No need to worry about a seal hunt, they won't have enough ice floes on which to breed, so the species will become extinct, evenually. Polar bears, which feed mainly on seals, will disappear much sooner.

On the upside, Xxon Mobil will be able to drill for oil and gas in the far north, thereby increasing the CO2 "greenhouse gas" content in the atmosphere and accelerating the pace of global warming. Mainly, of course, it will vastly increase oil corporation's profits.
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#24447 - 11/02/09 01:20 AM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: danaidh_boy]
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The boy never did stand on the deck he followed the rest.

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#25155 - 12/16/09 04:34 AM Re: Geological Scotland. [Re: kenwhut]
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To the few who probably still don't think that Scotland was at one time part of North America i say NUT'S

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